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14 August 2007 @ 03:58 pm
Jesus' sexuality  
So, I've been thinking lately about how Jesus wasn't an ascetic by any means.. sure he engaged in a certain amount of solitude, prayer, fasting, etc. But he also ate and drank heartily, turning water into wine for his first miracle as he celebrated a wedding with loved ones.

What I'm wondering, then, is what is the deal with his sexuality? We never see Jesus engaging in any kind of romantic relationship in any of the scriptures (though I know of the rumor made popular by Dan Brown that he married Mary Magdalene) and I guess what I'm wondering is, I know it's kind of a weird question, but do you think Jesus masturbated? Or had wet dreams? Even asking these questions feels "heretical" and yet I know deep down that it shouldn't be that way. Our sexuality isn't an ugly thing to be ashamed of and hide away, it's a beautiful and integral part of our created state, whatever our sexual orientation is or our current partner situation.

Or if Jesus didn't engage in sexual acts of any kind, why is this the one area of his life that he did take up an "ascetic" practice in? What would set sexuality apart from other areas of life that he partook of fully? Does our tradition only *tell* us that Jesus was a non-sexual being because of our overall fear and loathing of our sexuality?

This is rough, I know. But I hope it stimulates some discussion!
GiniLiz: labyrinthginiliz on August 15th, 2007 02:31 am (UTC)
I think that, unless one considers all sexual thoughts and expressions sinful, Jesus most likely engaged in them. I think we consider sexuality so base, so human, that it is hard to imagine them in connection with anything divine. But if Jesus was fully human... then...?? Is our sexuality so different from other aspects of ourselves? Is it so bad that it cannot be conceived of as part of one who is fully divine as well as fully human? As you pointed out, Jesus enjoyed pleasures in life. I just can't imagine that God incarnate would forego all sexual pleasure. So yeah, I think Jesus had sexual thoughts and probably acted on them in one way or another.
babydraco on August 15th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
Have you read "Lamb"? It tackles this very subject in a really funny way.
spokenonlyonce: winter / fo drizzlespokenonlyonce on August 15th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
how funny, I'm about 1 chapter in!
Rose Rossroseross on August 18th, 2007 11:11 am (UTC)
I think Jesus was flesh and the flesh feels sexual impulses.

I do wonder if he was celibate, though, especially once he began his ministry. I'm not sure that wine into water was a sign of worldliness. There are those passages in the Bible where Jesus recommends celibacy and poverty. Perhaps not because those states are virtuous in and of themselves, but because the material world clouds our eyes when we are trying to gaze toward heaven.

Like you, I'd love to know what he really thought on the matter. :-)
gyntselagyntsela on August 21st, 2007 05:02 am (UTC)
I've wondered if maybe Jesus had a partner prior to beginning his ministry. Also, I wonder sometimes whether references to his sexuality were left out of the canonized Bible during the Council of Nicea for not fitting in "theologically" or "philosophically." ~_~ I mean, the books didn't just appear together in that order, after all! :)

I'm sure he must've had sexual thoughts, at the very least, or else how could he have known what it was like to be truly human?

glome: pic#121307618glome on June 25th, 2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
Interesting responses. I think our natural urges are not sinful. However Jesus did say that you were not to desire your neighbors wife. And whatever you did in your mind was the same as actually doing the sin.

So.... Can you think of some one that ISN'T
glome: pic#121307618glome on June 25th, 2013 10:44 pm (UTC)
Oops. Accidently closed it.
to continue: ... during the time of masturbation? I'm not sure. Maybe it has to be a made up person.

Like some of you, i'm certain God knew that we would notice quite early in life that pleasure was there for the taking. It wasn't wrong. God made it that way. As we get older the thought life becomes more important. Somehow, I think God enjoys the funny situations about sex just as we do. It isn't bad. It is just that we are sinners which causes us to be confused on what is OK to enjoy and what isn't.

We know sex outside of marriage is wrong. That's clear. 21 st century has become so godless and extreme in the constant in keeping our minds so much on sex that it is really hard not to sin in those areas.